A conversation between Dr. Clark and Tony Brown, May 2000
Part II
Dr. Clark: No. I’ve never seen any side effects. Of course the voltage is very small. There is a 9-volt battery in it and what is coming out is about 4½ to 6 volts. And that’s all we need to pick up on the internal organs of the body.
Tony Brown: It would seem that your theory is the antithesis of traditional medical practice. Why are you not critical of medical doctors?
Dr. Clark: They are doing their best. They are scientists in their training, but they can’t apply their science. They have to fit into the system and the system isn’t made so that they can apply their scientific training. They have to go by the protocols already in place and abide by them or lose their licenses or somehow no longer be in that profession.
Tony Brown: How does the traditional practice of medicine differ from what you do?
Dr. Clark: As night and day. I would look at a blood test and immediately see that here is a slightly high BUN (blood/urea/nitrogen) and that lets me know that there is a high level of bacteria in that person. Yet a clinician would look at that and say "Oh, it’s not important yet, it’s not over the top — it’s not out of range at the high side." Yet, I know that we have to go after some bacterial invasion. Now, there may be an especially diligent doctor who thinks that since it is near the top you should go after something. They have been trained to think that such a BUN value represents failing kidneys, so they would probably go after kidney support, whereas my Syncrometer data has shown me that it is not a kidney problem, it is a bacterial invasion problem. And it’s very easy to find which bacteria they are and you solve it in less than a week.
Tony Brown: Are you saying that your orientation is cure and the medical profession’s orientation is treatment of symptoms?
Dr. Clark: Yes. I think that is the correct distinction. Because, if you are finding the real underlying cause of an illness or wellness, then I think you’re on the road to finding the cure. It’s a process difference. If you are looking for something that makes you feel better — makes the symptoms go away — you are looking for a treatment.
Tony Brown: Now, this is at the heart of where your critics are. We are going to talk later extensively about your approach to cancer in particular and to what we call AIDS, but they say that the people who leave you and that you call cured aren’t cured, because you don’t see them again. Whereas in conventional medicine they have a five-year window and if there is a reoccurrence in five years they don’t call it a cure.
Dr. Clark: For example, suppose your disease — we’ll call it a disease — was a whole bunch of little red, itchy bumps, say around your ankles and your waist, and you were given some kind of a lotion that made them instantly disappear. And then, on your own, you found that it was fleabites. They (the person who gave you the lotion) didn’t find what the cause was, but they got rid of the symptoms.
Tony Brown: Hypothetically, I have a benign tumor. Should I be concerned?
Dr. Clark: You should be very concerned.
Tony Brown: Why?
Dr. Clark: Because it tells us that we now have a dozen things in us that enables us to make tumors. And that one little one that we first see gives us that information — it’s the warning bell.
Tony Brown: And at that stage we should begin to do what?
Dr. Clark: Clean up.
Tony Brown: Clean up what, our bodies?
Dr. Clark: Get those dozen things that I find in all tumors out of us.
Tony Brown: How do we do that?
Dr. Clark: We kill parasites. Several parasites are involved. We get rid of all the dye — colored food, colored beverages, and colored hair dye. And we stop eating asbestos.
Tony Brown: Stop eating asbestos?
Dr. Clark: Yes, we stop eating asbestos; it’s a much more important thing than to stop breathing it. We are eating it in all of our produce. We have to learn how to wash it off. It’s pretty easy, but we have to do it. We also have to stop having magnetic metal put in our mouths — we have to stop sucking on metal.
[Note from Bonnie: The procedure to remove asbestos from produce is to place the produce into hot water (not hot enough to burn your hands, because that much heat would damage the produce) and let it soak for one minute (not longer because longer would allow the toxins to re-enter the food). Remove the produce and dry it thoroughly. Then place it into a fresh pot of hot water and let it soak for one more minute. Remove the produce and dry it thoroughly again. (White paper towels are recommended for drying the produce and the towels may be dried and used over.) All produce, including bananas and avocados, must be soaked in hot water twice for one minute each time, drying both times. (For further details, such as sterilizing instructions using HCL, see Food Rules on pages 517 through 527 of The Cure For All Advanced Cancers by Dr. Clark.)]
Tony Brown: Why should we get the mercury (metal) out of our mouths?
Dr. Clark: There’s a very big contribution of toxic metal to cancer tumor growth. And with such a bad association it seems to me to be obvious that we should not be sucking on it all day, which is what we do to our tooth fillings.
Tony Brown: Say I want to take all the metal out of my mouth, whatever it is. Isn’t it dangerous if I go to a dentist who’s just going to pull my teeth — would not all this toxic metal that is released, based on what you say, then just overwhelm my system?
Dr. Clark: No, I have a section in the book called Dental Aftercare and it’s a homemade kind of treatment where you use hot water packs and so on to heal your mouth and you do not have a problem with removing it. None of the metal things that we put in our teeth are at all pure. They are terribly polluted. It would be impossible commercially to produce pure metal. Yet, what metal is polluted with, if you can call it pollution, is magnetic elements. There are a whole bunch of them — about 15 magnetic elements — and they are the ones that are lowering our immunity, together with asbestos. So, those are the most important things that a person who has a small benign tumor somewhere needs to do.
Tony Brown: So, how would you recommend that we clean our bodies if we have a warning sign — or we don’t have a warning sign — we just want to practice self health — we want to have good health? What do we do? You have a Liver and a Kidney Cleanse, do you not?
Dr. Clark: Yes. You do this ancient treatment whereby you cause the liver to push out what is in the bile ducts. It should, of course, be bile, but often it’s very poor bile — it isn’t even green — and it’s full of cholesterol crystals. It’s an easy way to get rid of a lot of cholesterol.
Tony Brown: Gall stones?
Dr. Clark: Yes, that too. They’re not the kind of stone that you might get out of the gall bladder when you’ve had surgery for stones — those look different and are calcified.
Tony Brown: Now, lets go back to the cleaning. We want to cleanse our kidneys and we want to cleanse our liver.
Dr. Clark: Yes, but it is better to do a Kidney Cleanse first, because when your kidneys are in good shape and you’ve increased your water consumption to help them along, then the results of the Liver Cleanse, which is a gush of all this terribly foul, toxic material from the bile duct, won’t affect your body so much. See, what you pull out of the liver, this very toxic stuff, can spread into your body — out come bacteria and viruses, too — and if you have a good elimination system, especially the kidneys, then you never have a problem with it. You don’t feel sick.
Tony Brown: Then the liver is the organ that really discharges the toxins and the poisons from our body. So, therefore, if the liver isn’t working we’re in real serious trouble.
Dr. Clark: Yes.
Tony Brown: Now, what are your steps. What do we use?
Dr. Clark: For the Kidney Cleanse I picked about a half a dozen herbs that are easily available — you can order them easily — that have been known back to antiquity to help the kidneys. Some of them dissolve kidney stones, some of them relieve pain in the kidney, and some are diuretic, which is very good for you.
Tony Brown: That makes you discharge liquids from your body?
Dr. Clark: Yes. And you’re supposed to drink a lot of water with it and then you have, in a way, cleaned up your filtering system, which are your kidneys. And that’s amazing, because say in a car, once the filter is clogged and doesn’t work very well, you have to get a new one!
Tony Brown: Now, you’re real, real high on green, black walnut hull — is that an herb?
Dr. Clark: Yes.
Tony Brown: In combination with two other herbs?
Dr. Clark: Yes, cloves and wormwood.
Tony Brown: Would you repeat the three for me?
Dr. Clark: The green hull of the black walnut tree’s nut, cloves — just the same as you cook or bake with — and wormwood, which is an ancient anti-parasite treatment.
Tony Brown: Now, I did a lot of research and verified that there is a body of research as to the scientific usefulness of those three herbs. That doesn’t mean that in combination they are going to do what you say, but there is some scientific history of those three herbs. What do those three herbs in combination do for the body?
Dr. Clark: It kills nearly all the parasites that I ever tested for, which was around 80 or 90 different parasites. It does not kill toxoplasma because that is intracellular and it does not kill Candida because that is also intracellular. There are a number of things it does not kill, but when it can kill nearly all of the common parasites that have a fleshy body to them and that we find so loathsome, it is very valuable.
Tony Brown: Do you make the claim that using those three herbs in combination cures cancer?
Dr. Clark: No, I don’t. I say that those three herbs in combination plus an electrical treatment (Zapper treatment) is the right cure of a malignancy.
Tony Brown: How are you so certain in each case that you have cured the person?
Dr. Clark: We use scanning techniques and we do blood tests. You can tell if a tumor has shrunk or not. It isn’t that difficult to see if the blood test improved or not. I realized this kind of criticism would come along; that’s why I saved 50 sets of X-rays, before and after, and all the blood tests, and that’s what I published in the last book (The Cure For All Advanced Cancers).
Tony Brown: Now this is where you really go head on with your critics because when you use the words "cure cancer" some of them go ballistic.
Dr. Clark: I eliminate the cause.
Tony Brown: I’ve got a ton of things here from the Internet and they say that’s just crazy, they call you bad names, they say it’s not good medicine; it’s bad information for the public.
Dr. Clark: Yes. It’s not good "medicine," that’s certainly true. But, it is good pursuit of cause and effect.
[Transcribed from Tony Brown’s Journal (Shows #2308 to #2311), (212) 575-0876]
Note: Dr. Clark has published the following books: